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Otherwhen@aol.com
05-29-2011
05:42 UT
Oman's "Art of War in the Middle Ages" is a classic text. I first read it for a graduate history course in Medieval History. But the book I was assigned for class was the short paperback version available (at the time) in most college bookstores.
 
When I started working on "Great Kings' War" I bought the 2 volume 1928 revised edition set from a rare book dealer, which was quite expensive. It's probably not so much now, since the Internet book explosion. Used paperbacks of both volumes are listed on Amazon at under $15.00. However, Oman's follow up book, "A History of the Art of War in the Sixteenth Century" (784 pages), was even more helpful since it detailed wars and warfare during the early gunpowder era. This one is much rarer and runs $80.00 to $95.00. Both books are highly recommended.

John Carr

In "Lord Kalvan", it tells how Calvin Morrison "was reading Sir
Carles Oman's Art of War" instead of paying attention to his
lessons. I did a little digging, and found some books by Sir
Charles Oman called "The Art of War in the Middle Ages", revised expanded edition dated 1924.
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Jon CrockerPerson was signed in when posted
05-29-2011
04:10 UT
In "Lord Kalvan", it tells how Calvin Morrison "was reading Sir Carles Oman's Art of War" instead of paying attention to his lessons. I did a little digging, and found some books by Sir Charles Oman called "The Art of War in the Middle Ages", revised expanded edition dated 1924.

It's a good long read, and it's taken me a while to read them all through, but today I was working through the section on the English Civil War.

During that war was the Battle of Barnet, 1471. The two sides formed up in the dark, and it turns out they formed up closer to each other than they thought, with each side overlapping the enemy's flank a bit. The morning dawned with a thick fog, and because of the overlapping flanks, the out-flanked portion of each side had a hard time of it. The Earl of Oxford and his men started chasing some of their fleeing enemy in the fog.

Because of the collapsing flanks, the main battle started to rotate - eventually each side was facing the direction that it had come from. Guess who comes charging back in to save the day? Because of the turn, however, the Earl of Oxford was really smashing into the unprotected rear of his allies, not his enemy as he thought - many cries of "treason" rent the air.

Of course by this point I was impressed that Lord Kalvan's Battle of Fyk had really happened.

Sir Charles' book is surprisingly engaging - the first edition was 1885, and I was expecting it to be as dry as dust, but I enjoy it, it has some memorable lines. One of the most memorable sections is also about the English Civil War, the Battle of Tewkesbury: "As a mark of the temper of the time we may mention that Somerset's first act when he got back to the position, was to seek out Lord Wenlock, the commander of the center, furiously accuse him of treachery for not joining in a general charge, and then to beat out his brains with his battle-axe. This summary removal of a division general seems, however, to have had no actual effect on the fate of the battle, though it must surely have had some discouraging results on the morale of the actual spectators."

Of course if you're not a history buff, the books are really not going to be your cup of tea - but I enjoyed them, and now I know I've read a book that Piper - and His Majesty, Great King Kalvan - have read, too.
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Mike RobertsonPerson was signed in when posted
05-17-2011
15:25 UT
This year's Irregular's Muster will be on Saturday, May 28th. We will be meeting at the Original Waffle Shop on North Atherton at 11:00 a.m.

I'll be there.

Mike Robertson
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David Johnson
05-12-2011
06:57 UT
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I've gotten about six chapters into Scalzi's ~Fuzzy Nation~, maybe one-eighth of the way through the book. (Jack Holloway has just given his first video of Little Fuzzy to the local naturalist--who most assuredly is _not_ Ben Rainsford in this version!)

WARNING: Some minor spoilers to follow.








I'm enjoying the yarn but this is a _major_ reboot. Jack Holloway is at least three decades younger and rather than being an independent prospector is under contract to the Chartered Zarathustra Company ("ZaraCorp"). His personality is different too, more smart-aleck "Han Solo" instead of Beam's straight-shooting-but-aging "Indiana Jones." ZaraCorp is a multi-planet interstellar conglomerate, not restricted simply to the single world ("Zara-23"). The colony on Zara-23 is much smaller, with nearly _everyone_ on planet a ZaraCorp employee or contractor. A couple of other non-human, sentient beings are mentioned but none of them are the familiar Thorans or Ullerans or Kwanns or Khoograhs of Beam's Terro-human Future History. Terra--Earth, here--is different too. Apparently there were no Northern-Hemisphere-devastating Atomic Wars; Holloway recalls mining operations in Pennsylvania and has a _juris_doctor_ from Duke University.
There's a short intro to the audiobook by Scalzi himself explaining his purpose of trying to make the story less dated. Mostly, this seems to mean contemporary language--it's all "dude" and "awesome" and assorted versions of [expurgated unprintability]--plus a lot of futuristic versions of contemporary technology. Holloway has an iPad--"info-panel"--and his ZaraCorp employers monitor him via orbital satellite imaging when he makes that first sunstone find. All of this would seem to meet Scalzi's purpose of making the yarn more accessible to contemporary readers but it doesn't seem to make it any more _believable_ as a _future_ setting than is what Beam wrote in the late 1950s and early 1960s. (Will star-travelers of the future be saying "dude" and "awesome" all the time?)
It looks like Holloway and Little Fuzzy are the only characters to survive from the original story. The above-mentioned naturalist is a woman with whom Holloway has recently had an unsuccessful affair. There is no George Lunt, no Victor Grego, no Gus Brannhard, no Alex Napier. And so far, no Extee Three (Holloway feeds Little Fuzzy a local fruit instead).
And there's a new character from the very beginning: Carl, Holloway's dog. Holloway talks to Carl in the way the original Holloway ends up talking to Little Fuzzy (before he learns to communicate with the Fuzzies). It's a nice touch that makes that particular aspect of Holloway's original behavior make a bit more sense. (I always wondered why this tough, rugged loner so quickly took to calling himself "Pappy Jack" and rambled on and on to Little Fuzzy from the get-go. Scalzi clearly believes it was because he missed his dog!)
Again, it's keeping my attention and I look forward to the rest of the story.
Yeek!

David
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"_Space_Viking_ itself is . . . a yarn that will be cited, years hence, as one of the science-fiction classics. It's got solid philosophy for the mature thinker, and bang-bang-chop-'em-up action for the space-pirate fans. As a truly good yarn should have!" - John W. Campbell, 1962 ~
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John Carr
05-11-2011
17:59 UT
This year's Irregular's Muster will be on Saturday, May 28th. We will be meeting at the Original Waffle Shop on North Atherton at 11:00 a.m.

I hope to see some of you there. If you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me at otherwhen@aol.com

John Carr
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David Johnson
05-11-2011
13:36 UT
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Gilmoure wrote:

> There is an audio book. I believe it's Wil Wheaton reading it.


Woo hoo! And it was released today:

http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_1?asin=B004YXLK7G

I'm already downloading it!

Thanks for the tip.

David
--
"We talk glibly about ten to the hundredth power, but emotionally we still count, 'One, Two, Three, Many.'" - Otto Harkaman (H. Beam Piper), _Space_Viking_ ~
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Glenn G. Amspaugh
05-11-2011
13:25 UT
There is an audio book. I believe it's Wil Wheaton reading it. http://whatever.scalzi.com/2011/05/06/and-...y-nation-audiobook/
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David Johnson
05-11-2011
04:56 UT
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Gilmoure wrote:

> http://www.tor.com/stories/2011/05/fuzzy-nation-excerpt
> For myself, I like it. I have it on pre-order and am looking
> forward to it.

I'm eagerly waiting its arrival too. (I just wish it were available as an audiobook. About the only time I have for "reading" these days is during the two-hour daily commute.)
> He's also been pushing folks to check out original Piper
> so that's cool. Can tell that he really likes Piper's work.

Yeah, that's a nice knock-on benefit. Anything that helps to introduce Beam's work to new folks is a "good thing" in my view!
Yeek!

David
--
"Good things in the long run are often tough while they're happening." - Otto Harkaman (H. Beam Piper), _Space_Viking_ ~
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Jackson Russell
05-07-2011
19:20 UT
Cool. What about the other fuzzy book coming out?

Jack

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Glenn G. Amspaugh
05-07-2011
19:06 UT
John Scalzi's reboot of Little Fuzzy (Fuzzy Nation) is out 10 May. Tor.com has first two chapters so you see if you like his take on it: http://www.tor.com/stories/2011/05/fuzzy-nation-excerpt
For myself, I like it. I have it on pre-order and am looking forward to it. Scalzi, if you're not familiar with his original work (Old Man's War) has been compared to Heinlein in writing style. He's also been pushing folks to check out original Piper so that's cool. Can tell that he really likes Piper's work. He says that Fuzzy Nation was written for him self, at first, as something fun to do and then he decided to see if publisher was interested.
Gilmoure


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Jackson Russell
05-07-2011
18:42 UT
Speaking of the TFH, what is the latest on the new fuzzy books? I've been out of touch and would like to get caught up.

Jack Russell

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